Today the San Francisco Chronicle put up an article about localism:
As C.W. Nevius, a non-surfer, sees it:
"A mini-boom has hit surfing. Midlife-crisis guys, trendy twentysomethings and athletic women looking for a challenge are standing on the beach, watching the breakers and thinking they might like to give riding the waves a try.
There's just one problem. They have no idea what they are getting into. And San Francisco may be one of the worst places to try it.
There are two major problems with surfing in the city. First, between Ocean Beach and Fort Point, we may have two of the most dangerous patches of water in the country. And second, San Francisco surfers are a clannish, cranky, aggressive group who can make it miserable for newcomers."
Nevius goes on to describe a few incidents of intimidation and violence, and he gets some choice quotes from the locals.
"'They've definitely made me cry - more than once,' said Kim Cooper, one of the few female regulars at Fort Point. 'I've learned a lot about men, let's put it that way. It is basic primate dominance theory.'"
But the best thing about the article is the comments section. 200 and counting so far this morning, many from non-surfers who are using this as an opportunity to vent their frustrations with surfers in general.
Some of my favorite comments:
Surfers are like all other groups of hoodlums. They just don't treated as such by the mainstream...
I have never met a surfer who was not a jackass. And the ones here are idiots. They paddle out and sit for hours in the water. because the waves are not that great. Too dumb do go elsewhere.
We laugh at them everytime we eat at the Cliff House.
Why not just ban surfing for a month? Pick the month with the best waves. Taking the toy away works great with 5 year olds, which is how they're acting.
I had a bad experience at the beach near the warming hut, where a lot of toddlers and small children play. Two surfers came and were surfing off the beach. With no regard for the small children, and a number of near accidents. I was amazed at how they came and took over the whole shoreline, making it impossible for the parents and children to relax and enjoy this small bit of kid friendly space in San Francisco.
I had a roommate who was a surfer. He ripped off allot of stuff
from the place and when caught his excuse was...Well you weren't
using it. When we had parties his friends and one particular guy
from brazil would treat the girls like....Let's just say we always
thought we would be reading stories about them in the newspaper.
All the unchristian values like selfishness and vitriol displayed by the little whiny elitist godless alternative life stylers.
Obama ain't helping you out there.
Surfers ... a group that regularly cloaks itself behind the phony spiritualism of "The Perfect Wave" and the feeble pretext of concern for the safety of others in order to justify their insular and occasionally violent aggression towards outsiders. On the surface, surfing might appear to be about immersing oneself in a profound understanding of nature and nurturing a life-long sense of comaraderie with your weekend buddies, but, when mother nature ordains that the waves are to become few and far between, surfers are as protectively cliquish as the High Schoolers who sat at the cool table and as prone to aggression as the WWF wrestler who's driving home after a quick fix at Vick Conte's office.
Surf in California is like Mexican cuisine. Its decent in San Francisco, excellent in greater LA, and superb in San Diego. But Baja is where it really shines.
Thanks for the article. I was thinking about dropping at least $1000 this summer to start surfing the cold SF waters. Thought it would be a nice, peaceful break from the family. Looks like it'd be cheaper to stay home and fight with my wife, and just as unsatisfying too...
How about a little support from the City Attorney, the DA or the Police? Set up a telephoto video camera, have a surfer go out, drop into a couple of sets of waves, and prosecute the assaulter with the videotaped evidence. Do that every now and then, and I'll bet it gets better, fast. Some local surfers are actually thugs and criminals, not blissed-out ocean peace hippies.
SF is not So Cal! What are these guys protecting? LAME. The water at Ocean beach is ALWAYS FREEZING (esp in summer) and the so called "waves" would make surfers from Zuma down to San Diego - laugh out loud!!!! I've heard of people "riding waves" in New York, DC and fresh water rivers which is laughable as well.
Boo Hoo for the surf twits. Ignore these nobs. Do what you want to do. If you want to learn how to surf , surf. These twits sound like the same kinds of douches that laugh at people who wipe out underneath chairlifts. Ignore them and have fun. If any of these phonies messes with you figure out what bicycle or car they ride and pop their tires the next time you see it. If they walked, follow them home and spray paint their garage door with some tasteless art. Noone should have to put up with aggressive goofballs. They don't OWN any of it and it hasn't been officially allocated to surfing last I checked. Dweebs. Aggression . What goes always must come around.
I totally concur with the characterization of surfers as allegedly mellow, nature-tuned people who turn into ugly d&cks (and that goes for the chicks, too) when territory infringement is perceived. I body board, and that seems to keep surfers out of my hair, because none of them want to be within 2 surf breaks from me - I'm waaaay too uncool. Perfect! I don't want to deal with their drama. So if I'm at Linda Mar or further south, I pick a lone peak and have a nice 3-hour session to myself.
What's funny is that *some* surfers I have encountered are Peter Pan types, emotionally a bit young. As a girl, once you are out of your wetsuit and into clothes, maybe all dolled up, they clam up - classic nerds stammering all over themselves. That's probably why many are such bullies in the water - compensating for their lack of confidence on shore.
In the end, I'm there to enjoy the peaceful water, and no one is going to bully me out of that personal experience.
Reading all the smug postings from experienced surfers makes me want to head to the parking lot with a sledge hammer.
Some surfers seem to think surfing makes them special people. They are just especially lame. Who really cares if you sit out in cold water all day and ride some waves? I've done it and I was bored, and cold, and you spend most of the time waiting. But hey, "it makes you a cool person". Huh?
Nice. Way to discourage people from your sport. Ask your local surf shop if they can stay in business without new customers.
in huntington beach no way would you find surfers behaving like 'idiots being aggressive w/other surfers.' it was the respect for the ocean and each other exhibited. if a grommet paddled out - it was the big bro's who'd watch them and often mentor which allowed everyone to share in mother oceans wealth.
The comments from the surfers on this board only serve to underscore the point of the article: surfers are a bunch of whiny white boys with severe entitlement and anger management issues.
Well one thing for sure is that I will always be on the offensive when encountering a surfer, and I will never be nice to them...
If they want to cross the parking lot or street then guess what they are gonna have to wait...
If they want respect then they gotta earn it...
Anyone want to throw eggs at them, or maybe some chum in the water?
I tried surfing when I lived in Santa Cruz, and I was respectful and stayed way out of anyone's way, i knew the rules, and they still hassled me, called me a kook, and told me to go home "valley", lol.
Can't really recall meeting any surfers that were really "tuff guys" one on one. I'm sure they are really tuff in their groups though. What a bunch of pathetic losers. I'm sure they are always talking about the "soul surfing" and "becoming one with the earth" too. Get over yourself and good luck to the great whites in the local waters...look for the idiots with the "surf or die" tatts.
According to Matt Warshaw, monitoring to prevent violence will never happen because "It is just the opposite of everything the sport has always been about." So surfing is about hyper-aggressive, territorial and infantile adults who can't control their emotions or share the surf. Dudes, you don't own the ocean, the shore or the surf. Grow the F up.
i never understood territorial surfers. these guys act like mellow cool guys who are all in touch with nature. but then they act like the biggest jerks when theyre in the water. instead of being a$$holes, they should teach the newer surfers the rules of surfing.
Just more proof that the behavior of humans, mostly men, is getting more decadent, which will eventually end in anarchy. Get those old punk surfers out of there. The easy going, benevolent californian has evolved into this...what a joke.
I hope a tsnamui hits one of these days and does a wipe of them all.